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luis elisondo is a former u.s army

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counterintelligence special agent who's

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gained notoriety now for being the

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director of the now defunct atip program

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which was a program initiated by the

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defense intelligence agency in order to

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study unidentified aerial phenomenon

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also known as ufos for those new to this

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channel my name is kurt jaimungal i'm a

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filmmaker with a background in

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mathematical physics dedicated to the

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explication of what are called theories

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of everything from a theoretical physics

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perspective clearly but also exploring

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the potential connection consciousness

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has to the fundamental laws of nature if

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those fundamental laws exist at all the

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ufo phenomenon may seem tangential but

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if you watch the podcast with kevin

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knuth linked below you'll see that there

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seems to be an intimate connection

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between some of the deep mysteries of

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the universe and this phenomenon thus

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i'm interested and i don't view this

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going to get to a question that i had

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which is is there a correlation between

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any of the characteristics of these uaps

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ufos and some other characteristic for

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example let's say that the

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tic-tac-shaped ones are more violent or

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the pyramidal shaped ones are faster is

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there a classification of them and do

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they have some other characteristic

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associated with them

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so the the the characterizations that we

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have we have seen today really is a

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result uh of size believe it or not so

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and this is by no means

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comprehensive but what we tend to see

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the the smaller vehicles tend to be

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uh think of a sports car are your are

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your uh saucer shaped vehicles whereas

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larger vehicles let's say a school bus

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object or roughly that of a tic tac or

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even sometimes described as a telephone

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and then in shape so cylindrical and

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then the the tend to be the large ones

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really large ones tend to be

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uh not always but almost exclusively

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either triangular shape or boomerang

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shape now there are some some some

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anecdotal uh if you will reports of of

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large saucers as well and some shapes

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looking like a dumbbell but the three

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primary categories tend to be uh that we

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saw in each of were

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disc shape and then you have uh the

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longer cylindrical shape and then

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finally a large large triangular shape

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vehicle the triangle vehicles are often

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described as flying uh very

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close to the ground and very very

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very quiet silent and seem to kind of

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lumber if you will

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from place to place very slow

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uh almost like you would imagine a large

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durable perhaps just kind of floating

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there silently the the apex of those

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triangles are often described with

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lights of some sort or emitting some

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sort of of radiation in the in the

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visible light spectrum which uh

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to a lot of the the the if you will the

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people who reported this information to

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include first responders um we'll often

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see the lights changing color and uh

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maybe maybe a result of some sort of

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doppler shift that's occurring red blue

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doppler ship

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but uh that's in essence the the three

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primary shapes that that we we have had

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reported

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and are these shapes associated with any

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other characteristics for example

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violence or non-violence or

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the shutting down of nuclear missiles

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yeah kurt that's a great question you

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know so there's a difference between

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when we say something's a potential

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threat

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and and hostile intent and i think

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people have confused the term potential

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threat when we say potential threat you

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know as a physicist um

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there's a lot of things in nature that

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are potential threats but don't need to

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harm you right it's just it's for

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example i've often said if i go to an

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airport

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and i get on a 737 there's no real

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threat there but if i were to jump off

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and run along the runway the tarmac and

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i i happen to get too close to one of

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these jet engines as it's you know going

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down the runway chances are there's

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going to be some sort of biological

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consequence there's there's an

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environmental threat i'm probably going

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to lose some hearing

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i'm probably going to get burned by the

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jet exhaust

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it's not necessarily an intended

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consequence of the jet engine to harm me

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and so anytime you're dealing with with

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physics

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and i think this topic of uap certainly

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nests well within the the realm of

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physics there's always potential threat

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um and that's just the way it works if

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you ever go to the cern the large hadron

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collider uh you're talking about a a

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massive machine that the world's largest

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machine in fact ever built

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um and it's it's hurtling some of the

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smallest particles around nearly the

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speed of light and if you look at the

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shielding

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that is around the the accelerator it's

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massive uh if you would think for

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something so so tiny and infinitesimally

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small uh why do you need such a big

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machine well it turns out that you know

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there's there's potential consequences

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when you're taking a particle of matter

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and you're accelerating it to the speed

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of light almost the speed of light

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correct me uh correction um so

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uh it's i think it's it's

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i think we need to be careful when we go

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down that rabbit hole and say something

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is is you know

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threat versus hostile intent you said uh

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is there any any

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signs that these things are displaying

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some sort of you know over hostility

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towards us or violence i think you said

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um you know we in in atyp didn't see any

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over signs of as you say violence

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uh but you know there are individuals

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who have reported that they've had um

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contact and whatever that contact is

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it's not always been pleasant according

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to some of the eyewitnesses now the

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question is have those eyewitnesses

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really had a close and personal

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interaction with this or is it some sort

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of psychological manifestation

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uh that is occurring uh

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we we simply don't know for that reason

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we were very careful not to to stipulate

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any type of uh intent behind these

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things and we focused the only two

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things we really focused on in atep was

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what is it and how does it work uh we we

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were nowhere near getting to the point

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where we understood its intentions or

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who was behind the wheel or

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the origins of these things it was

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simply just as you can appreciate a

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scientific approach what is it and how

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does it work and if we could answer

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those questions maybe we'd have a better

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chance of answering some of the other

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you also mentioned that the june report

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may be a whole lot a quotation a whole

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lot of nothing now why do you say that

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and why do you think that is and have

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you been briefed as to what's going to

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come out in the news report yeah i mean

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let me let me turn that question right

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back around kurt and ask you a question

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you know if i were to write a 74-page uh

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dissertation about a black hole um today

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i probably it'd probably be a lot more

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comprehensive than if i were to write a

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74-page dissertation about a black hole

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back in 1965

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because at the time these were

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theoretical objects that we weren't even

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sure if existed some scientists believe

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that they couldn't exist that these were

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just some sort of anomaly within

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einstein's calculations so

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we we don't have a really good firm

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understanding of these things and so you

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know what

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what are we going to provide to congress

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well we know that they're not u.s

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technology okay that's that's that's a

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pretty big big step forward but other

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than that you know we're still at the

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point where we don't know if these

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things are some sort of foreign

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adversarial technology which it looks

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like they're probably not or there's

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something else

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um so you know there's not a whole lot

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you can say about that you can say look

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there were you know 170 some incidents

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of these incidents uh they performed in

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this way these were the organizations

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involved these were the people involved

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this is the radar this is the video

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here's photographs here's the eyewitness

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testimonial reports um

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but at the end of the day

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you know

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we still don't know what we're dealing

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with so i i'm not sure

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we're going to be able to in a 74-page

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document

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conclusively state uh and satisf what it

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would find something is and satisfies

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people satisfy people's curiosity

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i think as time goes on and we

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continue to look at this this enigma and

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perhaps create a whole government

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approach hopefully those reports each

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year will become increasingly uh more

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more

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uh forthcoming and we'll have additional

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details and fidelity but i think it's

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just too early right now look we just

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got to the point where congress and the

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american government agree that these

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things are real

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so

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how much can you possibly expect an

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organization

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uh in 180 days and by the way let's not

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forget that that the covet restrictions

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most of these people could even go to

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work

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um

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you know i i i try to be realistic

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well to be fair some of your interviews

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what i glean from them in an hour is

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quite substantial so i can imagine that

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if someone's given a team of people are

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given 180 days they can come up with

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what could shock people that's you just

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said it if you if you have a team of

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people we they didn't have that the uap

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task force was minimally manned they had

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two people and they were only part-time

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assigned so so that part of the argument

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isn't you know it hasn't been

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substantiated and the other part is 180

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days

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i would submit to you it takes as i've

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said before longer to remodel a kitchen

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sometimes than 180 days you you're

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asking the entire intelligence community

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and the department of defense to collect

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the data synthesize the data process the

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data and then and then author the data

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and then coordinate that data through

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all 18 agencies of the intelligence

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community have it reviewed by the

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lawyers have it signed sealed and

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delivered by the secretary of defense

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then to the director of national

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intelligence and then finally on to

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congress

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uh and oh by the way there's you know

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covid we got to deal with so anything

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classified which most of this report is

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classified

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you can't do it until you get to go to

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work right so it's i i think you know

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we're really expecting a lot it's almost

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like like expecting mike tyson to to to

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fight in in a boxing ring with with you

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know both hands tied behind his back

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um it's it's it's just not i don't see

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how that's that's reasonable he would

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still defeat me

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okay oh me too i'm sure

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as for the fidel you mentioned fidelity

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and a question that's been brought up by

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quite a few people i don't have a single

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username to single out is are there

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videos pictures that you've seen that

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are not so grainy not so far away but

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instead up close

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exact let's say such that someone who is

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on the fence about this issue would no

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longer be on the fence

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yeah and i think you're seeing that with

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congress i mean there's there's videos

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and photographs and reporting that i've

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been privy to

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that are extremely compelling i've said

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for the record that the three videos

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that have come out as interesting as

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they are they're probably the least

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compelling of the ones that that you

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know we we had and and this is why i'm

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so concerned about now the recent

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revelations that the pentagon has

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deleted or destroyed my emails and my my

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my files because there were documents on

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in a very comprehensive shared folder

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that we had

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that was was that was you know

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pretty incredible i mean there was some

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some very high definition high fidelity

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videos in there that when you looked at

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it you realize hey you know that's

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that's not one of our aircraft many in

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the audience had one more question with

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regard to this issue which is why now

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why all these revelations from the

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government all of a sudden because we

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weren't able to get to it over the

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livestream i emailed him and his

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assistant got back saying

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as for your question why now why not now

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nothing will ever change

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nothing will change if a few brave men

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and women don't stand up to speak out

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about what they know lew has talked

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about this many times in many interviews

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he was trying to raise the alarm about

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this issue but it wasn't getting

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reported up the chain of command to the

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secretary of defense

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in the u.s defense community if someone

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is frustrated with bureaucracy there is

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no way to circumvent the chain of

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command so it's typical for those people

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to resign and then it's often the

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resignation letter which finally makes

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its way up the chain to effect change

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that's exactly what happened in lou's

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case feel free to reference previous

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interviews that he's given where he's

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answered this question have there been

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any investigations as to the connection

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between remote viewing and uap so you

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can interpret that the way you'd like

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wow great question for um

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historically yeah that there was there

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was some effort particularly in the in

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the 70s and the 80s

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during a program that one of my

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colleagues was responsible for uh the

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stargate program and before that it was

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real flame and before that a bunch of

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other names but uh dr

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harold fudov

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can can probably give you some more

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information on that during our time in a

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tip we didn't really focus on that we

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were more focused on the nuts and bolts

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but yeah there was you know there was

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some some interesting information

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that was put out uh in the past about

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about that about the the connection

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between remote viewing and potential uap

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activity there was one uh i think

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alleged uh remote viewing session where

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they were remote viewing a particular

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enemy target uh

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c seabourn a c based target i'm not

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going to go into more detail with that i

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don't know if i can

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but apparently there was some sort of

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uap activity associated with that

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the problem is when you're talking about

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remote viewing it's it's very subjective

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and so you have to be very careful

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uh when when you're dealing with data

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like that because um

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it's at the end of the day

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you need more information uh you need

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information to substantiate that's that

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may be one piece of the puzzle but by no

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means can you put together the entire

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mosaic with just one piece of the puzzle

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you need all the pieces to really really

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you know understand what you're looking

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at you mentioned someone's name about a

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minute ago harold what was his last name

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kutov okay yeah i have a question about

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that from jeremy riss of the channel

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alien scientist he wants to know have

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you ever heard of something called the

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invisible college and then as a

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secondary question

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was this theoretical physicist who

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brought you into the program you

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mentioned this before that someone

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brought you in to atip was it hal put

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off

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i'm very well aware of the the term

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invisible college

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uh i am also very well aware of how hal

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is a dear friend of mine he did not

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bring me into this program uh but we

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wound up working as as colleagues

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he's an incredible human being him

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another individual named dr kit green

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uh another fantastic human being an

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absolute american treasure

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um and there's a couple others dr eric

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davis there's another one i really was

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very fortunate i had the opportunity to

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to truly stand on the shoulders of

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giants um it was an incredible honor

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and there's many others that i i won't

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mention right now but dr colin keller

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and a bunch of others that were you know

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really really helpful

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uh in the early days of this effort

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what is it that you've heard about the

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invisible college that you can reveal

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that you feel like is credible

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i just heard the term yesterday

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i mean uh it's you know it's a loose

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affiliation of individuals um you know

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that's the term invisible

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uh college being that these are

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individuals who obviously have a high uh

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academic beta uh to their name

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um you know it's it's more of a loose

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affiliation necessarily than a uh

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you know a formalized uh

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corporation

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um

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you know it's that you might also hear

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terms like the aviary

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which uh you know there's there's some

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truth to that there are some individuals

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that belonged to an organization

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and uh to to to remain anonymous uh they

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had uh names of birds associated with

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them names of birds

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birds right that's the term aviary and

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what it did is it gave them an extra

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degree of anonymity

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uh when when having discussions uh you

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know especially over open lines or the

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email unsecured email

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um you know that that that's it's just a

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layer extra layer of operation what we

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call opsec

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speaking of academia this question comes

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from professor

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of astronomy brian keating who runs the

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into the impossible podcast is there any

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test or data that would convince you

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that every uap sighting has a prosaic

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natural or scientific explanation i.e

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anything that could falsify the

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narrative that alien technology is

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visiting the earth now i know

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we can

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put a clause to that and say whether or

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not they're visiting or whether or not

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they're from a dimension that is

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you me may not like the term dimension

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in the way that it's used in common

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parlance but

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we can couch whether or not it's

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visiting you understand what's meant by

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the term yeah i do so kurt i'm going to

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ask you a favor to repeat that question

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one more time because there's there's a

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bit of a contradiction in there sure

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sure great great great this comes from

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professor of astronomy brian keating who

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runs the into the impossible podcast

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which i recommend you all check out and

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subscribe to is there any test or data

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that would convince you that every uap

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sighting has a prosaic natural or

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scientific explanation i.e anything that

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could falsify the narrative that alien

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technology is visiting the earth

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so interesting natural or scientific

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prosaic explanation and then turns

557
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:14,080
around and says i.e

558
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,880
disproves some sort of alien visitation

559
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,840
um

560
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,280
i'm not sure the two are mutually

561
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,000
exclusive i i think

562
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,440
you know

563
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,039
i i think you can have a discussion

564
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,640
about alien life and still remain

565
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,400
scientific we're doing it now with nasa

566
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,640
looking for microbial life on mars

567
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,320
they're not exclusive you can't say in

568
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,320
one hand you know there's a scientific

569
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,520
explanation

570
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,240
but it's not but it disproves alien life

571
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,480
scientific explanation may wind up

572
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,640
actually proving alienware if there is

573
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,840
so so i i i think that's f i think that

574
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,679
all with all due respect i think that's

575
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,960
false logic

576
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:50,960
uh i don't i don't know against mr

577
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,320
keating at all i'm sure uh you know he

578
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:56,080
wants a thorough answer which i'm going

579
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:57,520
to try to do my best

580
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,240
but the very notion that an alien

581
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,120
life form can't be scientific look

582
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,280
this planet is probably the greatest ufo

583
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,280
that we know of right this ball called

584
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:09,200
earth hurtling through deep space around

585
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,640
a you know obscure star we call the sun

586
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,960
an obscure part of the milky way has got

587
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,799
life all over the place in fact the

588
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,120
birth of science was right here

589
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,080
uh and it was it was the study of of of

590
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,799
other living organisms look at darwin

591
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,919
right so

592
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,360
so i

593
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,440
i think we need to be careful when we

594
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,520
subscribe to the fact that if it's alien

595
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:33,120
it can't be scientific or if it's

596
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,880
scientific it can't be alien i don't

597
00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:37,120
think the two are mutually exclusive

598
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,100
i think

599
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,280
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600
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,080
we we realize now with with the

601
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:44,480
understanding of extremophiles

602
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,760
that life can defy a lot of our our our

603
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,840
definitions and continues to define our

604
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,120
definition so we have to keep

605
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,120
reinventing new definitions of what a

606
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,480
life form is

607
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,919
you know initially we thought all life

608
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,400
forms were or something that were based

609
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,720
on on ultimately on the building blocks

610
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,880
of photosynthesis we now realize that's

611
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,480
not true there are extremophiles that

612
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,039
live in and survive of chemosynthesis in

613
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,720
the deepest parts of our ocean a

614
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,240
completely different

615
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,000
way of obtaining nutrients from its

616
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,880
environment we also realize that the the

617
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,480
understanding that life form must have

618
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,720
dna we now realize may not be true also

619
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,960
in the world of virology we see all the

620
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,880
time viruses which can replicate and

621
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,039
behave very much like a living thing and

622
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:28,159
yet have no dna associated they have rna

623
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,120
so

624
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,520
uh i think we have to be careful

625
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,919
when we ask questions especially as

626
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,120
scientists

627
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,600
we have to make sure

628
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:38,960
that we

629
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,000
to really embody the essence of science

630
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:44,000
we have to be willing to ask the hard

631
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,679
questions because that's the only way

632
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,000
science really advances

633
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,840
otherwise we would be stuck thinking

634
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,280
that the four elements of the earth are

635
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,760
earth wind fire and water you know

636
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,440
we've now realized this thing called the

637
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,440
periodic table we now realize this thing

638
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,400
called salt you know uh the subatomic

639
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,480
particles and quantum physics had we

640
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,559
have just stuck to that as being science

641
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,559
and not challenging the ecosystem of

642
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,480
science at the time we never would be

643
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,840
here we never would have had newtonian

644
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,440
physics we never would have einstein's

645
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:12,880
relativity we wouldn't have quantum

646
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,320
physics so again i caution one more time

647
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,679
against uh

648
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,559
the idea that that the science is that

649
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,880
science and that a science a

650
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,320
scientific explanation will

651
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,000
automatically rule out something alien

652
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,880
now i think what he was trying to say uh

653
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,440
your friend mr keating and i and i

654
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,960
forgive you through going this long with

655
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,799
you sure go ahead and i appreciate how

656
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,480
you're taking notes i appreciate the

657
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,480
seriousness to what you're answering

658
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,159
these questions i think what he's

659
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,880
probably saying asking me is hey lou

660
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:45,360
is is there any examples that you can

661
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,320
say

662
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,360
that

663
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,520
a you have found a prosaic explanation

664
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,200
for something that initially seemed

665
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,280
unidentified or perhaps you know

666
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,799
extraordinary the answer is absolutely

667
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,799
yes we have in fact that was the

668
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,400
intensive agent to go into something

669
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,880
trying to find is this a drone is this

670
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,400
some sort of cruise missile is this some

671
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,080
sort of new type of aircraft or

672
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,880
helicopter or blimp or durable you know

673
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,799
you know atmospheric anomaly you name it

674
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,000
fill in the blank

675
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,080
is there a checklist by the way that one

676
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
goes through like is it a lens flare is

677
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,000
it a drone yeah there's absolutely and

678
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,520
you have when you have the experts that

679
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,200
are you know experts in in those

680
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,600
particular fields such as photography or

681
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,360
video or whatever they're going through

682
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,280
that mental checklist is an artifact

683
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,919
right uh so it is a software glitch is

684
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,640
it a lens flare is it a a scratch on the

685
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,320
lens that now is being uh hyper

686
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,559
magnified and so you get you know this

687
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:37,120
weird uh uh scattering of light effect

688
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,240
it looks like you have a real object

689
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,320
there when you don't right uh and so

690
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,440
that's when you compare it to the

691
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,960
infrared that's when you compare it also

692
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,400
to the radar when you compare it to the

693
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,799
eyewitnesses right because you know

694
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:49,279
there's a when you have that

695
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,200
that amount of information now all

696
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,760
verifying that something is real then

697
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,120
you know you can start scratching up the

698
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,960
fact that it's some sort of artifact or

699
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:01,360
you know lens flare etc etc

700
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:02,320
um

701
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,919
you know that there were times where we

702
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,600
were able to do that and said it's a bit

703
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,960
satisfying because you can kind of take

704
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,039
it off the list what what for us was so

705
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,880
difficult were the ones that fell so far

706
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,000
beyond

707
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,600
what we would normally presume as

708
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,520
capable capabilities that we have in our

709
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,200
inventory again the instantaneous

710
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:19,919
acceleration hypersonic velocities uh

711
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,679
trans-medium travel and you know

712
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,440
seemingly anti-gravity without

713
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,520
associated technologies no wings control

714
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,320
surfaces no obvious signs of propulsion

715
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,720
uh no heat signature and yet the things

716
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,200
you're able to define you know are the

717
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,440
natural effects of earth's gravity

718
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,799
those are the ones where you say okay

719
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,480
now we're not probably dealing with you

720
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,080
know a helicopter we're not dealing

721
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,520
there's no rotor wash there's no heat

722
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,360
signature there's nothing at all

723
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,640
that that

724
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,039
that we can look at with the multiple

725
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,640
sensors that we're looking at something

726
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,640
and say yeah that that fits within the

727
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:54,480
paradigm of you know

728
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,440
our existing aviation technology

729
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,559
um

730
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,919
so there you have it i didn't mean to

731
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,919
again go into a long-winded conversation

732
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,600
very long-winded man i'm a meticulous

733
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,760
person i also noted that you said mental

734
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,279
checklists is what they go through and i

735
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,520
was curious if due diligence is a

736
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,919
physical checklist or a standardized one

737
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,520
a formalized one

738
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,240
yes but but those depending on where

739
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,400
that expertise resides so if you're

740
00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:20,960
asking for example a cia analyst who's

741
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,920
an expert in

742
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,200
[Music]

743
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,200
optics they're going to go through their

744
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,080
own checklist differently than a radar

745
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,559
person who's an expert in radar uh and

746
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,240
telemetry who's gonna go through their

747
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,559
checklist so you know there's not one

748
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,320
single checklist because depending on

749
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,080
the expertise that's being used and

750
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,840
leveraged it's like considered talking

751
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,919
to a cardiologist versus a radiologist

752
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,080
right right right right medical doctors

753
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,200
but they're not going to go through the

754
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,600
same checklist you know when looking at

755
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,600
someone's heart you know one's looking

756
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,520
at it from from a x-ray perspective

757
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,120
one's looking at it you know maybe from

758
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,600
a from a more from a biological and

759
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,240
metabolic process perspective so

760
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,159
those checklists exist but they're not

761
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,880
consistent across the board

762
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,679
you mentioned trans medium as well

763
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,520
i'm curious if you've seen any footage

764
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,640
where a uap goes from air to water and

765
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,880
is there a splash involved or do they

766
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,520
just submerge as if it's an illusion

767
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,600
let's say or an artifact of light not

768
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,960
saying that they are artifacts of light

769
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,320
i'm just curious if they displace the

770
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,960
water in any formidable fashion yeah

771
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,400
well kurt there seems to be some sort of

772
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,480
interaction i will i will state that

773
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,320
there's been plenty of reports that we

774
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,159
have where the water seems to be

775
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,400
determined that there is a disturbance

776
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:33,760
over the water

777
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,440
uh and there's several hypotheses

778
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,679
that had been proposed before that

779
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,679
um no different than when you have a

780
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,360
helicopter hovering over the water you

781
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,960
can see the water being a bit determined

782
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,120
from the rotor wash uh yet these don't

783
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,200
have rotor wash but but the water seems

784
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,840
to be perturbed roiling if you will and

785
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,360
we've seen that over and over again not

786
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,200
just with the nimitz instinct there's

787
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,039
some incidents near near upper coast of

788
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,559
puerto rico there's been some other

789
00:27:01,029 --> 00:27:00,159
incidents as well where

790
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,039
where

791
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,720
the the reporting by government

792
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
officials has been that there is some

793
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,400
sort of disturbance in the water

794
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,000
the question is what is causing those

795
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,159
disturbances if you look at biology for

796
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,159
example look at an alligator we just now

797
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,760
realized over the last maybe decade or

798
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,720
two

799
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,720
that there are ulfs ultra low

800
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,360
frequencies acoustic signatures that are

801
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,600
emitted by alligators when they are in

802
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,080
mating season in the rivers and the

803
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,399
lakes and you can actually see as they

804
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,679
put their head up

805
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,360
you can't hear it

806
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,679
but the water begins to what looks like

807
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,000
a dance around around them and what's

808
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,760
happening is these ultra low frequencies

809
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,240
acoustic frequencies are perturbing the

810
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,559
water disturbing the water and

811
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,679
the metrics

812
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:44,720
that the matrix of the water is is

813
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,799
part of and so it begins to to to roil

814
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,399
you know is this something similar it

815
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,840
could be we don't we don't know yet

816
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,960
because we don't understand the

817
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,200
technology before you know but we we

818
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,760
suspect that this this disturbance in

819
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,960
the water could be a

820
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,960
well you know it could be a result of of

821
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,600
the technology being being utilized

822
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,279
uh you know no different than a

823
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,520
helicopter perhaps with its rotor wash

824
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,880
perturbing the water but rather than

825
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,559
being a physical or mechanical

826
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,640
disturbance it might be due to some sort

827
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,279
of electromagnetic interference

828
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,720
right

829
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,960
lou i wanted to thank you for how open

830
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,200
you are how frank you are i'm not

831
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,799
actually i'm not used to that when when

832
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,240
i speak to people

833
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:28,240
about this topic so firstly thank you

834
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,279
about that

835
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,480
well i look kurt i don't have all the

836
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,000
answers and i'm going to tell you that

837
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,200
you know you're asking me direct

838
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,559
questions i'll give you direct answers

839
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,640
i'll do that i'll do the best that i can

840
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,279
uh but you know i i don't have all the

841
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,880
answers and i'm not i'm not afraid to

842
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,559
say that i'm not afraid and some are

843
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,200
classified as well yeah and some details

844
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,200
are definitely are you know since you

845
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,120
can't get out right and for the people

846
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,399
watching in the chat if i don't get to

847
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,600
your question please it's because i'm in

848
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,520
the moment with lou i don't want to keep

849
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,360
switching tabs i want to listen to louis

850
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,120
answer and ask pertinent follow-up

851
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,200
questions okay by the way for the record

852
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,520
if i can just real quick let me go back

853
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,360
your friend mr keating i i didn't mean

854
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,360
any disrespect by that please make sure

855
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,679
he knows that i just wanted to answer

856
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,600
his question to the best of my ability i

857
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,039
wasn't trying to

858
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,840
to this wasn't a slam in any way i just

859
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,000
uh i just wanted to be as accurate as

860
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,200
possible for sure for sure manny ortez

861
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,399
asks

862
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,559
lou once said on a podcast that someone

863
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,000
from the pentagon told them that they

864
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,279
knew that these that this phenomenon are

865
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,320
demons

866
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,760
although lou didn't seem to believe it i

867
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:30,799
would love for

868
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,720
lou to expand on that

869
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,440
well kurt let me ask you this um

870
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,880
you know what

871
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,960
what is a demon right i think most

872
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:42,880
people would would submit to you that a

873
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,240
demon is some sort of supernatural being

874
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,559
that is based in some sort of religious

875
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,880
doctrine uh and is usually you know

876
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,880
malevolent to some degree

877
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,760
um but you know let's let's look at this

878
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,080
from scientific perspective all things

879
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,120
by definition are supernatural until

880
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,640
they're they're explained so they're

881
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,799
normal right this cellular telephone i'm

882
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,039
speaking to you on this the wi-fi

883
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,960
signals a hundred years ago would be

884
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,200
completely supernatural and yet in some

885
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,799
parts of the world actually if i show a

886
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,799
picture you know of somebody then that's

887
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,320
still supernatural they think the soul

888
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,640
is is locked in the photograph

889
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,320
everything is is is paranormal until it

890
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,679
becomes normal everything is

891
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159
supernatural until it becomes natural

892
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,240
and that is that is the definition of it

893
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,399
it just means beyond our understanding

894
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,520
of

895
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,799
you know what

896
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,240
what's before us

897
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,760
um

898
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,159
i can't you know i can't tell anybody

899
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,840
with a straight face that something is

900
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,520
or is not demonic

901
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
because it really depends on what is

902
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,039
your definition of a demon and at the

903
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,039
end of the day you know i've seen enough

904
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,120
demons in my life in combat and warfare

905
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,880
to know that you know there really is

906
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,360
true evil in this world a lot of it is

907
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,559
man-made

908
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,720
but um you know

909
00:31:02,789 --> 00:30:59,679
i uh i can't i can't discount that i i

910
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,799
don't personally believe that myself

911
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,600
but

912
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,840
you know i'm a big firm believer of know

913
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,760
thy enemy if it turns out that these

914
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,559
things are demonic at least we know

915
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:13,120
you know i'd rather know than than to

916
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,080
guess

917
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,240
um you know do i subscribe to that line

918
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,640
of thinking that these are demons

919
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,480
no not particularly

920
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,880
what about angels

921
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,559
great question saying it's exactly the

922
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,600
same thing

923
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,919
angels and demons you know supernatural

924
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,720
beings that that that we can't explain

925
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,519
that that seem to to to

926
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,399
fall outside of the realm of of of what

927
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,480
we consider being normal human behavior

928
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,640
and normal human capabilities

929
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,760
um

930
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,360
okay let me steal man the question let

931
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,960
me steal a minute when i say steel man

932
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,080
hopefully you're familiar with the term

933
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,760
what i'm i think what the person is

934
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,519
getting at is that let's imagine let's

935
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,880
presuppose

936
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,240
in a certain world view that there's a

937
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,240
deity that created the universe with

938
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,880
intent and one of the first creatures

939
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,200
they created were powerful beings that

940
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,600
have divine powers some of those are

941
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,320
angels some of those are demons and then

942
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,000
humans were created or let's say the big

943
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,600
bang was set off and then humans were

944
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,399
created via the process of evolution so

945
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,000
do you see or

946
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,559
do you see evidence or do you

947
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,960
have friends with an atip who believe

948
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,159
that those are

949
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,320
demons in that sense or angels in that

950
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,830
um

951
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:26,159
i didn't see that in eight

952
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,120
um

953
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
but i did see it in dod leadership

954
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,399
um

955
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,519
you know i i i certainly am not going to

956
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,279
confront someone's spiritual beliefs

957
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,640
about something

958
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,000
you know the word

959
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,200
angel comes from the word angelios

960
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240
of of light of fire think of helios the

961
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,159
sun right or something

962
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,200
um

963
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,120
these are terms that that that have been

964
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,320
given to to to

965
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,960
explain supernatural beings and

966
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,120
occurrences in in

967
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:01,120
you know during our existence

968
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,320
um

969
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,559
you know i i am for what i i

970
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,120
despite being a scientific man i am i am

971
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,799
a very much spiritual

972
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:11,360
um i don't wear my religion on my sleeve

973
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:15,519
but i don't think that the topic of uaps

974
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,399
or even potentially extraterrestrials

975
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,640
is necessarily against

976
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,279
the idea of organized religion when i

977
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,320
went to rome not too long ago a year and

978
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,679
a half ago maybe

979
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,360
uh and spoke to some

980
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,440
very senior academics in the vatican

981
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,279
they they told me

982
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,080
that that in the 1600s had you have told

983
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,320
people there was no such thing as aliens

984
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,399
that would be considered heresy

985
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,039
because there is no there is no limit to

986
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,600
the dominion of god or the notion of god

987
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,840
and it's only been in relative recent

988
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,440
history that we have put these

989
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,600
limitations on what god can and can't do

990
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,559
you know

991
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,080
there can't be aliens because we have to

992
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,000
be the most you know the divine

993
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:58,240
most divine representation of god

994
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,120
um

995
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,760
you know so i i i find that topic

996
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,760
fascinating especially as it relates to

997
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,760
theology and philosophy and even

998
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,159
sociology our reaction to it as a

999
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,119
species

1000
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,399
um but i i i did not come into contact

1001
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:14,879
with that and if and if it was an a tip

1002
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,839
it was kept hidden from from us no one

1003
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,280
no one talked about that no one seemed

1004
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,079
to have any type of religious aversion

1005
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,919
looking into this topic

1006
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,359
all right the next question comes from

1007
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,679
bisect docs have we intercepted

1008
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,240
communication between uaps and or has

1009
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,839
there been communication with

1010
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:35,440
uaps i'm not aware of any uh

1011
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,359
interception of communications with uaps

1012
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,760
as far as communication with uaps you

1013
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,919
know once again i kind of hate to split

1014
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,280
hairs here i don't want to upset anybody

1015
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,359
but let's let's be specific what is

1016
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,800
communicating i mean you and i are

1017
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,399
having a conversation in english and

1018
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:52,560
we're communicating but if i stand

1019
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,399
behind uh a wall and i i i aim an

1020
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,640
assault rifle at you am i communicating

1021
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,560
with you yeah i am i'm communicating an

1022
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,760
intent or a threat right if a dog growls

1023
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,240
and shows its teeth to you uh as you try

1024
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,920
to kneel down and pet it is it

1025
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,680
communicating yeah it's communicating

1026
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,280
it's telling you hey you know i don't

1027
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,880
want to be pet right now i don't don't

1028
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,480
don't don't touch me

1029
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:16,720
so you know um

1030
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,720
if if a uap is is uh behaving in a

1031
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,720
provocative manner meaning it's it's

1032
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,680
it's uh um obviously knows that where or

1033
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,599
are aware that it is there

1034
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,160
and doesn't seem to mind doesn't seem to

1035
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,320
try to hide itself in some cases it's

1036
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,680
been perhaps

1037
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,720
uh hovering uh over over you know one of

1038
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,400
our military equities for for a

1039
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,079
prolonged period of time

1040
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,520
is that communication well i would

1041
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,720
submit to yes it's probably

1042
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,000
communication it's not verbal

1043
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,320
communication but but it's signaling

1044
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,560
some sort of intent yes i know you're

1045
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,800
there and yes i know you know that i'm

1046
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,680
here

1047
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,400
and i'm okay with that and now i want

1048
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,599
you to know that i'm here now

1049
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,880
what's the rationale what's the

1050
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,880
reasoning intent behind it we don't know

1051
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,119
but that is communication if you know

1052
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:05,920
when when we when we do a show of force

1053
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,960
uh and if you know we fly an sr-71 at

1054
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,880
100 000 feet and we don't want the enemy

1055
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,359
to see us but if i take a couple f-22

1056
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,359
raptors and i fly off the coast of let's

1057
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,920
say uh uh disputed territory in the

1058
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,400
south china sea i'm communicating with

1059
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,680
with a country

1060
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,680
it may not be through dialogue but make

1061
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,000
no mistake i'm i'm communicating very

1062
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,240
clearly and very effectively my intent

1063
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,359
um to to another to another party and so

1064
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,320
um

1065
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,400
i think there lies the question are

1066
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,240
these things trying to communicate with

1067
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,760
us and if so

1068
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,880
uh

1069
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,119
do will we be smart enough to recognize

1070
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,079
it as as as some sort of communication

1071
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,200
uh versus just you know uh two ships

1072
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,240
passing the night i i do think that the

1073
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,839
more brazen that these these incidents

1074
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,119
become the more there may be an attempt

1075
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,920
to try to communicate

1076
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,040
obviously

1077
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,839
whatever it is is aware that we are

1078
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,680
there and we are aware that they're

1079
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,280
there

1080
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,839
are you aware of any more or of any less

1081
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,760
coarse-grained communication

1082
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,119
for example we can communicate with the

1083
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,480
cheetah like you mentioned we can point

1084
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,880
a gun at it or we can show our hostility

1085
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,480
or our civility

1086
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,520
is there

1087
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,040
verbal as far as you know has there been

1088
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,119
any verbal or even telepathic direct

1089
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,119
communication

1090
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,200
i'm sorry my audio just caught up has

1091
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,040
there been any verbal or telepathic

1092
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:28,640
communication i know that there's a

1093
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,839
story about i think zimbabwe africa with

1094
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,440
aliens communicating with some children

1095
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,880
there's certainly reports of it doesn't

1096
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,880
mean that it's it's it's see the problem

1097
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,280
is subjective we don't know for sure

1098
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:41,280
it's it's the humans interpretation of

1099
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,560
what's going on

1100
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,560
and and here is why we have to be so

1101
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,160
careful as you know in a scientific

1102
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,240
experiment and in a closed system

1103
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,119
you know the the the the

1104
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,680
the likelihood of human error is

1105
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,480
increased significantly and so uh you

1106
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:59,040
know we have to be cognizant of that

1107
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,000
um

1108
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,000
is there some sort of real communication

1109
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:03,760
as you say telepathic communication

1110
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,880
occurring or is it a

1111
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960
a similar effect to let's say taking a

1112
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,119
hallucinogenic

1113
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,839
drug and having some sort of experience

1114
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,800
right mental experience i don't know the

1115
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,200
answer to that the answer could be yes

1116
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,280
or both or none it could be that they're

1117
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,760
there there is it's just our

1118
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,359
it's uh our impression of what's going

1119
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,680
on uh and it's not real right like the

1120
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,280
near-death experience a lot of people

1121
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,800
report it being real a lot of people say

1122
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,640
no it's just parts of the mind that are

1123
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,320
beginning to shut down and you start you

1124
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,160
know having these experiences i don't

1125
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,079
think anybody really knows for sure

1126
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,359
other than the people who actually

1127
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,359
experienced it when you talk to them

1128
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,640
they feel very compelled that they've

1129
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,640
had a real event and i'm not i don't

1130
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,160
doubt for one minute they actually

1131
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,839
believe they've had some sort of

1132
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,599
communication and by the way that could

1133
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,720
be the case

1134
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,079
right again there's no way to prove it

1135
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,040
or disprove it so it's it's interesting

1136
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,839
um but we didn't focus that on about

1137
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,480
that part of it because it's it's it's

1138
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,640
too subjective you can't quantify and

1139
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,320
qualify that data like you can with

1140
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,040
radar data and photographic evidence etc

1141
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,359
so uh it wasn't it wasn't particularly

1142
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,680
useful i'm saying it's not interesting

1143
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,359
it just wasn't useful for for our

1144
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,200
calculus as to the connection between

1145
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,200
psychedelics and aliens or psychedelics

1146
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:19,920
and uaps you're unaware of any credible

1147
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,520
verifiable falsifiable data

1148
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,040
well look i mean

1149
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:26,160
now we're getting into the world of

1150
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,440
consciousness

1151
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:28,880
you know and i would submit to you it's

1152
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,200
not everything we do a result of of of a

1153
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,079
conscious process occurring in our brain

1154
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,160
um you know by very definition

1155
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,880
everything i do in life is a result of

1156
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,920
some sort of willful intent based upon a

1157
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,520
consciousness process occurring in my

1158
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,160
brain just like you and everybody else

1159
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,359
so um you know we realize that that

1160
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,680
human consciousness is is an area that

1161
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,320
we're just now beginning to explore and

1162
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,640
and we understand even less

1163
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,480
is it possible that human consciousness

1164
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,720
is part of a universal consciousness

1165
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,280
and that we can tap into this is it's

1166
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,760
not it's not human consciousness is not

1167
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,400
only for humans possibly i mean there's

1168
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,839
people out there who have pet cats and

1169
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,000
dogs on one of them where you know you

1170
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,520
have a connection with your pet not

1171
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,640
because it's

1172
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,119
just a cat or a dog but because you

1173
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,760
there's something deeper that you are

1174
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,680
you are connecting with something far

1175
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,920
more intimate something far more sacred

1176
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,760
than just a you know a furry little bag

1177
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,160
of skin and you know hair balls there's

1178
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,920
there's there's something

1179
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,240
and by the way that life form recognizes

1180
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,079
you as well as a sentient being there's

1181
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,400
this appreciation that hey

1182
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,079
we're on the safe wavelength i may not

1183
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,680
look like you i mean i'll act like you

1184
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,680
were talk like you but we're kind of the

1185
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,480
same thing we're both conscious sentient

1186
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,400
beings and we recognize that in each

1187
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:49,200
other

1188
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,240
um

1189
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:51,839
you know and it's that they also may

1190
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,319
explain uh human interactions as well so

1191
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,240
consciousness may not be

1192
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:01,359
um something that is that is only uh you

1193
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,319
know

1194
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,200
owned and defined by the human species

1195
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,720
is it possible there's other things if

1196
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,800
we can communicate with dolphins and

1197
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,760
cats and dogs and birds and you know

1198
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,520
gorillas

1199
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,280
maybe human consciousness isn't quite so

1200
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,720
maybe it's not so special maybe it's

1201
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,079
indelible maybe it's something that's

1202
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,319
part of part of all of nature and when i

1203
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,839
say all the nature even beyond this

1204
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:23,920
planet perhaps

1205
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,640
the next question comes from mick west

1206
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,079
i'd like to ask lou elisondo does

1207
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,680
i'll just read this verbatim if he

1208
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,520
really thinks this is non-human

1209
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,200
technology that can revolutionize the

1210
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,560
world and maybe

1211
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,000
include contact with aliens and

1212
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,760
extra-dimensional beings and so on why

1213
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,960
is he so concerned with ndas surely for

1214
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,480
the good of humanity he should release

1215
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,960
the evidence that he has

1216
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,720
ah surely for the good of humanity and

1217
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,640
then he can go ahead and pay for my

1218
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,319
mortgage he can put my kids through

1219
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,839
school he can come visit me every day

1220
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,760
and give me soup while i'm behind bars

1221
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:58,000
spending the next 40 years of my life

1222
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,960
uh

1223
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,040
you know doing a service for

1224
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,640
for somebody else i've already put my

1225
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,920
neck on the line

1226
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,880
uh so i'll do respect mr west um

1227
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,400
you know uh if

1228
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,920
why don't you there's nothing stopping

1229
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,920
you why don't you do it you know i've

1230
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,560
already put my career my my reputation

1231
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,240
and credibility on the line i've already

1232
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,800
forgotten my my retirement

1233
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,800
and my pension how much more else do you

1234
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,319
expect me to sacrifice you want me to

1235
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,079
put myself up on a cross and nail myself

1236
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,880
to it just just because

1237
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,720
you know i think we've come pretty far

1238
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,040
so far i think i think i haven't had to

1239
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,800
go to jail and we've come pretty damn

1240
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,640
far in the last three years

1241
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,480
you know so i guess a simple you're

1242
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,599
welcome

1243
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,400
uh

1244
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,560
is probably you know would be my

1245
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,480
response are there whistleblower

1246
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,400
protection acts that you could reveal

1247
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,160
information under

1248
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,400
oh this is part of the ig process

1249
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,960
this is part of of congress you know

1250
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,560
there are people that i can speak with

1251
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,400
without violating my non-disclosure

1252
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,160
agreement that can further the

1253
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,599
conversation

1254
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,960
you know and this is what we're trying

1255
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,720
to exercise i mean i

1256
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,560
i've tried to be as clear as i can with

1257
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,240
our roadmap moving forward without

1258
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,720
jeopardizing it but if people notice one

1259
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,640
thing about me is that we're you know

1260
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,319
i'm deliberate i don't do anything

1261
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,560
haphazard so all the stuff that people

1262
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,319
are now seeing with conversations and

1263
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,640
congress and ig

1264
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,160
do people honestly think that's just

1265
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:20,160
some sort of coincidence

1266
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:21,119
i mean

1267
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:22,160
guys look

1268
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,280
if you look at what i've been saying the

1269
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,800
last three years you're going to see a

1270
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,119
pattern it's very clear

1271
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,560
you guys everything i've said has come

1272
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,960
to fruition lock stock and barrel

1273
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,040
you know this is we're trying to do this

1274
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:35,040
the right way and as i said before

1275
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,160
there's a difference between doing

1276
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,480
things right and right now and i prefer

1277
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,560
to do things right you know this is a

1278
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,640
process i told people from day one you

1279
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,839
know if you're expecting instant

1280
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,920
gratification then you know go go take

1281
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,359
up something else go take a finger

1282
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,760
painting don't don't do this because

1283
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,560
this this is going to be a long

1284
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,440
term effort and and and it's it's every

1285
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,880
day the due diligence of what we're

1286
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,319
doing but it's making a difference just

1287
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,520
look at the last three years how far

1288
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,640
we've come

1289
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,480
we have an official uap task force we

1290
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,920
have the government admitting that ufos

1291
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,760
are real we have congress being briefed

1292
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,880
at the classified level they're all

1293
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,480
coming out saying this is important

1294
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,319
we actually have the task force now

1295
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,000
providing information to congress and

1296
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,000
180-day report we have other countries

1297
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,520
like japan coming out and reaching out

1298
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,800
and wanting to to share their

1299
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
information with us i mean man how much

1300
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,440
more do you want in three years you know

1301
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:23,119
so again forgive me for being a little

1302
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,240
bit

1303
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,000
you know testy about this

1304
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,440
questions like that annoy you do you get

1305
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,200
them frequently and you're tired of them

1306
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,720
well you know what it's it's armchair

1307
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,640
quarterbacking it's it's easy for people

1308
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,079
to sit back i see it all the time on

1309
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,599
social media just violate your nda

1310
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,760
leader it's okay you you go to jail for

1311
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,599
us it's okay but they're not willing to

1312
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,319
do you know one-tenth of that sacrifice

1313
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,319
for this effort if you ask them hey get

1314
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,319
off your ass and go go talk to your

1315
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,480
congressman or you know start start

1316
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,040
doing research and start going out and

1317
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,400
and and

1318
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,880
being a a force multiplier for this

1319
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,839
effort they want i'm too tired i got too

1320
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,359
much to go i'm too busy well i got my

1321
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,680
family to take care of well so do i i'm

1322
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,800
not different

1323
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,960
why why am i being held to a different

1324
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,960
standard why am i have to be you know

1325
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,119
the person coming out there and just say

1326
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,520
hell to everybody and wind up having to

1327
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,839
go run and hide in some foreign country

1328
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,520
and never come back to my country i love

1329
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,000
my country by the way my non-disclosure

1330
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,920
agreement i took was a promise i made to

1331
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,319
the american people not my government

1332
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,560
and so i think it's really disingenuous

1333
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,680
to say well you can just break your

1334
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,520
promise this time

1335
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,920
to for the for the truth no i can't

1336
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,119
that's why i said well you can cheat on

1337
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,920
your wife this only this time or or you

1338
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,599
know you can you can cheat on your

1339
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,760
family this time it won't matter yes it

1340
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,280
does matter every time matters it's a

1341
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,880
promise that's what a promise is either

1342
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,560
either you're a man of your word or a

1343
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,319
woman of your word or you're not

1344
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,319
otherwise they're called principles and

1345
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,079
and people fight and die for those

1346
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,240
principles and you know i've seen people

1347
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,240
fight and die for those principles

1348
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,520
you know they're not just something that

1349
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,440
you conveniently throw around i promise

1350
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,640
to do this and then really they don't

1351
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,319
say no i don't really promise

1352
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,200
you know

1353
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,359
that's that's not the way promises work

1354
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,560
those are the kind of people that don't

1355
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,800
survive in combat because

1356
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,400
people have your back

1357
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,720
you know you you you swear an oath of an

1358
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,960
allegiance to do the right thing that's

1359
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,880
that's what this is about

1360
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,880
you know i i don't understand people who

1361
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,440
can just say hey go ahead and break your

1362
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,480
promise

1363
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:20,160
this one time

1364
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,200
i mean

1365
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,880
what are you talking about

1366
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,200
you'd never trust me again i can't break

1367
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,040
this one time because the one time i do

1368
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,119
then i could do it a thousand times and

1369
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,880
at that point i might as well throw in

1370
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,920
the towel

1371
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,960
so

1372
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,079
anyways

1373
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,079
let me let me push back i'm like i'm on

1374
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,520
your account i'm on your side man so let

1375
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,839
me just be friendly and push back

1376
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,760
with regard to breaking a promise to me

1377
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,520
this seems like the difference between

1378
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,040
as jesus said the spirit of the law

1379
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,680
versus the text of the law so do you

1380
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:49,440
see an obligation to the spirit of the

1381
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,319
law

1382
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,920
rather than the text so the text says

1383
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,000
you have to obey this promise well he

1384
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,680
also said follow the law of the land too

1385
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,520
didn't he and so you know the law of the

1386
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,440
land here is that he took an oath and a

1387
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,359
promise to the american people and i'm

1388
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,520
not going to violate that promise

1389
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,520
it's you can't break a promise to

1390
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,960
fulfill a promise

1391
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,480
it doesn't work that way please let me

1392
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,599
push back

1393
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,560
gently

1394
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,839
okay

1395
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:12,800
this is something i've been thinking

1396
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,560
about sometimes trust needs to be broken

1397
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,880
in order for it to be regained in the

1398
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,559
long term stronger so for example you

1399
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,359
mentioned cheating on a spouse sometimes

1400
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,280
one has to come clean and say i did

1401
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,280
cheat in order for the relationship to

1402
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,960
eventually be repaired even though that

1403
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,319
in the short run is going to be far

1404
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,760
worse

1405
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,040
wouldn't it be better not to cheat at

1406
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,119
all and not have to do that

1407
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,720
yeah you're right

1408
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,880
you need to if you cheat you need to you

1409
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,040
need to admit you cheated but but isn't

1410
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,720
it better just not to cheat and you

1411
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,240
don't have to worry about that

1412
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,000
i agree okay so in this analogy in this

1413
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,640
analogy the cheating would be let's say

1414
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,079
let's say you had some piece of

1415
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,480
information that says that our world is

1416
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,400
vastly different and potentially even

1417
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,440
dangerous

1418
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,280
or wasteful on behalf of the government

1419
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,119
do you see a sense of duty to the

1420
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,480
citizens to break your oath

1421
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,000
i know you say that it's the oath with

1422
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,520
the citizens themselves but you

1423
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,040
understand where i'm going with this but

1424
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,960
you don't have to there are mechanisms

1425
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,200
in place that that you don't have to

1426
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:14,000
break that oath to fulfill a promise

1427
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,200
that's what i'm trying to say here it's

1428
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,800
not either or

1429
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,240
it just takes more time by the way it's

1430
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,480
a lot more yeah it takes more time

1431
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,640
but but it's the right way to do it

1432
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:24,960
that's that's that is the correct way to

1433
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,040
do it than just going ahead and and you

1434
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,040
know i i i can't i won't be able to live

1435
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,960
with myself doing that no one will ever

1436
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,880
take me seriously again nobody could

1437
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,400
ever trust me if i break that promise

1438
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,640
just that one time that's not the way it

1439
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,520
works

1440
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,280
so you know i i think the proof is in

1441
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,599
the pudding and you know honestly i'm

1442
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,960
look otherwise i'm not gonna break it so

1443
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,720
people can keep asking me all day long

1444
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,800
and they're they're wasting their oxygen

1445
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,160
because i'm not going to break that

1446
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,240
promise i will not violate my

1447
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,559
non-dispute disclosure agreement got it

1448
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,160
and by the way i'll tell you if it comes

1449
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,760
to the point where i have to actually

1450
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,200
stop doing this

1451
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,760
to maintain my promise i will

1452
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,520
i will disappear you'll never hear from

1453
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,920
lou again if the option in between comes

1454
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,319
down to me having to speak or having to

1455
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,400
and break my promise or being quiet i

1456
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,240
will be quiet i will not break my

1457
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,160
promise and if people can't accept that

1458
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,880
then you know fi talk to somebody else i

1459
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,079
don't know what to tell you well i'm

1460
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,760
grateful that you're not quite right now

1461
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,520
and thank you for speaking with me

1462
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,079
lonesome space cowboy asks i just have

1463
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,680
one question pretty subjective but i'd

1464
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,440
like to hear his take if the general

1465
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,680
public knew and saw what lewis knows and

1466
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,920
has seen what would the world look like

1467
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,839
for the next week after that how would

1468
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,079
the public react so this is you can

1469
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,920
surmise

1470
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,670
what a thoughtful question um

1471
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:48,710
boy i have no idea kurt that that that's

1472
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,910
i would need to think about that okay we

1473
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,599
can get back to that question

1474
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,800
oh yeah i mean that's such a good

1475
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,400
question i don't i don't want to just

1476
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,920
throw out an answer

1477
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,480
right i i want to think about that and i

1478
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,160
might need i might need even a little

1479
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,160
bit more time i will for sure get back

1480
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,319
to you on that but um

1481
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,240
that's going to take some thought

1482
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:12,079
great great

1483
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,280
i'm going to take a question from the

1484
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,079
audience so jenshin says tom delong says

1485
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,599
that the occupants of the uaps are

1486
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,000
called the others in quotation

1487
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:23,359
do you know anything about this

1488
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,839
that's what you want to name

1489
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:26,640
them but

1490
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,440
i got

1491
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,680
my german shepherd is named hercules you

1492
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,280
know but you can call them whatever you

1493
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,480
want i mean

1494
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,760
it's a name right

1495
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,200
you can

1496
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,240
is he calling him the others do the

1497
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,400
others call themselves others or

1498
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,800
you know it

1499
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,760
it

1500
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,839
i i would probably ask tom that question

1501
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,000
i i i

1502
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,599
here's something i heard when i was

1503
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,040
looking up some interviews with bob

1504
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,200
lazar that the aliens refer to us as

1505
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,720
containers or at least he read that he

1506
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,559
can't substantiate it

1507
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,079
have you heard this and what do you make

1508
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,440
of it

1509
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,040
not a clue and

1510
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,800
who was that you said was that bob lazar

1511
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,839
you said

1512
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,079
yeah i i can't speak for mr lazar i

1513
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,920
never met the man don't know he was not

1514
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:08,800
part of the

1515
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
effort

1516
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,680
and therefore i can't i can't expound

1517
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,359
upon that i wouldn't even know where to

1518
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,680
begin with that i have no idea

1519
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,839
between you and i this is like a foray

1520
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,359
for me because my background is in

1521
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,720
physics and math

1522
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
and i had no idea that people were so

1523
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,960
divisive when it comes to bob lazar and

1524
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,839
just individuals in this ufo community

1525
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,680
in general that if you say you believe

1526
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:31,040
them then you're ostracized or if you

1527
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,240
say that you don't believe them you're

1528
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,520
also ostracized by a certain subset

1529
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,079
do you have views on bob lazar whether

1530
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,599
you find him incredible

1531
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,200
i've never met him i don't know his

1532
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,359
background i don't know his story i do

1533
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,079
know george knapp he's very credible uh

1534
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,800
i i don't know anything more than i

1535
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,800
guess george knapp had may have helped

1536
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,280
break the story at one point um but i i

1537
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,200
don't know mr lazar and out of due

1538
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,200
respect for mr lazar and his family and

1539
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:58,079
those

1540
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,640
um i i don't have a comment you know

1541
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:05,040
it's it's that's part of the problem

1542
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,240
people

1543
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,359
instead of what they know and so when

1544
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,200
you mention someone like that

1545
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,680
uh people automatically you know well i

1546
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,400
think this i think that well okay i

1547
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,640
respect that but the question is what do

1548
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,559
we know and right now i don't know a

1549
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,720
whole lot about mr bazar so it's it's

1550
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,480
not fair for me to really

1551
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,400
provide any any type of opinion one way

1552
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,400
or the other

1553
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,599
you're watching this channel because

1554
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,520
you're interested in theoretical physics

1555
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,280
consciousness and the ostensible

1556
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,720
connection between the two what's

1557
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,160
required to follow some of these

1558
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,240
arguments is facility with mathematics

1559
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,480
as well as discernment of the underlying

1560
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,240
physical laws and you may think that

1561
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,000
this is beyond you but that's false

1562
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,319
brilliant provides pelucid explanations

1563
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,720
of abstruse phenomenon such as quantum

1564
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,960
computing general relativity and even

1565
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,480
group theory when you hear that the

1566
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,880
standard model is based on u1 cross su-2

1567
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,960
cross su-3 that's group theory for

1568
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,559
example now this isn't just for

1569
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,040
neophytes either for example i have a

1570
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,720
degree in math and physics and i still

1571
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,720
found some of the intuitions given in

1572
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,720
these lessons to vastly aid my

1573
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,800
penetration into these subjects for

1574
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,720
example electricity and magnetism sign

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1580
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1581
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,400
at which you comprehend subjects you

1582
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,640
previously had trouble grocking links

1583
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,040
are in the description

1584
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,280
pulsating shadow asks how frequently do

1585
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,280
abductions happen among civilians

1586
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,040
military personnel and is there

1587
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,720
substance to the rumor of human

1588
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,880
mutilation i also want to ask you about

1589
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,440
cattle mutilation at some point but

1590
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,000
that's that um

1591
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:48,720
well uh you know abductions is something

1592
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,510
because it's again too subjective we're

1593
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,359
relying on the human being

1594
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,319
to give us data uh with without anything

1595
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,920
else really substantiating that other

1596
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,559
like unlike radar data and gun camera

1597
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,440
footage

1598
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,920
um i'm aware of a lot of those reports

1599
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:07,760
but but i don't have a comment either

1600
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,119
way i simply don't know um and as

1601
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,640
interesting as it may be it's not it

1602
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,319
wasn't overly helpful

1603
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,720
to the perspective of of our efforts

1604
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,640
native to to the specific calculus we

1605
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,000
were working on remember what is it and

1606
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:21,200
how does it work

1607
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,319
um

1608
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,680
that really didn't come into play

1609
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:26,960
now as far as

1610
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,520
human mutilation um that's another topic

1611
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,680
that i'm completely unqualified

1612
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,240
to to to discuss because i simply don't

1613
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,880
know um certainly if that is the case

1614
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,400
then then we are dealing with a

1615
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,640
potential threat possibly hostile intent

1616
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,160
because from where i come from as a

1617
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,400
former investigator and special agent

1618
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,000
that's a crime first of all it's called

1619
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,559
kidnapping second of call second of all

1620
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
is called assault uh you know and and

1621
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,359
third of all that may even be

1622
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,880
in an extreme case it could be

1623
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:56,480
considered you know first-degree

1624
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,839
premeditated murder so you know i i i

1625
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,319
don't know anything about that really um

1626
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,400
you know i am aware of the cattle

1627
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,680
mutilations a little bit more because

1628
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,839
i've spoken to some veterinarians and

1629
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,119
some doctors

1630
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,319
um

1631
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,599
you know there's a lot of prosaic

1632
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,599
explanations i think it's fascinating

1633
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,680
it's interesting

1634
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,240
but i'm not a certified medical doctor

1635
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,119
nor coroner so i can't i can't look at a

1636
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,640
cadaver of a

1637
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,000
bovine of

1638
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,720
a cow and say uh the lips were removed

1639
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,799
with a surgical precision without any

1640
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,680
type of heat ablation or authorization

1641
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:33,839
uh and yet you know it was it was a

1642
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,799
perfect clean cut there's no bleeding i

1643
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,319
i don't know what can cause that i don't

1644
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,160
know if there's a natural process i can

1645
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,559
explain that i haven't seen one but

1646
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,799
maybe there is could it be predatory

1647
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,520
behavior of coyotes uh eating that part

1648
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,440
of the meat that is

1649
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,559
most rich in nutrients are accessible

1650
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,119
i i don't i don't know the answer um or

1651
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,799
is it something else you know there's

1652
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:58,160
there's a lot of people who say there's

1653
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,960
there's

1654
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,359
perhaps something else to it

1655
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,000
again i i don't really know

1656
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,480
this one comes from lady schar reacts mr

1657
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,079
elizondo do you think there was another

1658
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,520
craft under the water but that was

1659
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,760
causing the uap disturbance that

1660
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,160
commander fravor reported

1661
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,920
great question that's exactly what we're

1662
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:17,280
trying to figure out what there's some

1663
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,480
other stories that are going to come to

1664
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,400
light from other incidents that are

1665
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,079
going to be i think fairly riveting when

1666
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,640
people find out uh you know

1667
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,079
that

1668
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,839
what's occurred uh

1669
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,200
in and around some of our military

1670
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:30,480
operations

1671
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,599
um

1672
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,040
it's it's possible there could be

1673
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,720
something underneath the water it could

1674
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,000
also be

1675
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,400
a uh like i said a reaction to the to

1676
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,880
the technology being employed uh by

1677
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,040
whatever on top of the water we we don't

1678
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,920
know yet um i think we're getting

1679
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,599
a little bit closer to answering that of

1680
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,359
course if we can get some some sonar

1681
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,319
data

1682
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,720
uh to validate maybe there's some

1683
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,240
something in the water at the same time

1684
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,000
as we see something in the air that

1685
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,680
would be very helpful in substantiating

1686
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,119
that

1687
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,160
amjad hussain who actually sponsors the

1688
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:04,640
podcast with his company algo

1689
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,599
asks are any alien bodies in possession

1690
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
of the us government

1691
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,480
so mr hussein again great question uh

1692
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,760
it's a question a lot of people want to

1693
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,040
know and it's a question that i can't

1694
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,960
answer because i i haven't been privy to

1695
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,760
that

1696
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,040
i do not know if there's any type of

1697
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:21,760
biological organisms that uh that are in

1698
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,920
possession of the us government i i do

1699
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,200
believe as i've said before for the

1700
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:26,480
record that we are in possession of

1701
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,520
material

1702
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:29,200
and we'll go i will elaborate into more

1703
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:30,240
than that

1704
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,280
um

1705
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,960
but as far as having biological

1706
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,359
specimens it's something that i i can't

1707
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,960
answer and i don't want to mislead

1708
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,319
anybody i don't want to say

1709
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:40,079
i think because it doesn't matter what i

1710
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,839
think what matters is what the facts say

1711
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:44,640
so

1712
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,319
much i've been burning the midnight oil

1713
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,720
man so i do apologize well

1714
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,559
i know you have a hugely busy schedule

1715
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,880
and so even for a modicum of your time

1716
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,359
i'm immensely grateful and personally

1717
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,040
i'm curious if

1718
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,359
what's going on at skinwalker did atip

1719
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,680
study that and

1720
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,839
i know you don't like to espouse but

1721
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,319
what do you what do you think is going

1722
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,160
on there

1723
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,839
sub question let me say before i forget

1724
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,760
it and then i wanted to know what is

1725
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,119
there a connection between bigfoot and

1726
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,799
ufos because there seems to be a

1727
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,400
confluence of that at skinwalker at

1728
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,079
least

1729
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,920
so uh

1730
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,680
i i worked with colleagues that were

1731
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,599
focused on the awesome and the skin

1732
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,040
walker

1733
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,720
phenomena

1734
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,760
what i what i can say is that they are

1735
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,160
very convinced and and i think i am too

1736
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,680
that there are things that probably go

1737
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,599
bump in the night that probably need

1738
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,720
further explanation uh but but that is

1739
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,559
that was not my portfolio and i don't

1740
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,480
want to speak to that because i simply

1741
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,880
don't know um that was done at a time

1742
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,720
with with the tremendous efforts of mr

1743
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:53,680
bigelow and and the former director uh

1744
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,799
asap director uh and a lot of folks uh

1745
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:59,119
from from bigelow aerospace

1746
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,559
and you know the data was very

1747
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,480
compelling i'll say that it was

1748
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,079
absolutely compelling and i think mr

1749
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,079
brandon fugle now and others have

1750
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:07,680
recognized

1751
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,480
the validity of some of that data um

1752
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,559
but uh that's that's all i'm prepared to

1753
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,160
say about that as far as bigfoot i'm

1754
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,240
gonna share something with you and i

1755
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,240
hope i hope that this doesn't turn

1756
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:19,760
anybody off

1757
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,990
um i had the great honor and privilege

1758
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,799
of speaking with some people from the

1759
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,960
first nations saskatchewan indigenous

1760
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,880
people uh

1761
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,000
the lakota and dakota bands

1762
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:38,799
these are individuals who are fiercely

1763
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,160
proud uh have an incredible heritage

1764
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:43,680
and um

1765
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,000
have nearly ten thousand years of oral

1766
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,599
tradition okay in in this continent

1767
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:50,960
uh and they have an incredible

1768
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:53,599
connection to the land and uh i was

1769
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:57,200
asked by by someone there uh and i'm not

1770
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,640
going to say who it was but a very

1771
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:00,559
senior individual who was associated

1772
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,920
with the first nations people

1773
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,359
and he asked me he said i want to ask

1774
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,280
you a question lou have you ever seen

1775
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,599
sasquatch

1776
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,520
i said

1777
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,720
no sir

1778
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,160
so i'm going to ask you one more time

1779
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,920
are you sure you've never seen sasquatch

1780
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,280
sir

1781
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,799
i've never seen scene scout for

1782
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,000
sasquatch

1783
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,240
and he said well that's good

1784
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,400
because from my people's perspective

1785
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,200
sasquatch is a spirit that protects our

1786
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,720
women and children

1787
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,040
and a spirit of the forest and if you

1788
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,119
see a man see sasquatch it means your

1789
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,119
heart isn't pure

1790
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,680
and i wasn't prepared for that i was

1791
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:40,079
like holy smokes you're glad i haven't

1792
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:40,839
seen

1793
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,520
sasquatch uh interesting but yeah that

1794
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,400
was their their was their take uh very

1795
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,319
very interesting but who among us have

1796
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,920
pure hearts

1797
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,520
well that's that's a whole other

1798
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,880
question right i don't think any of us

1799
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,040
really do have pure hearts but but the

1800
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,599
fact that that they see it that way

1801
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,799
uh i found very very interesting um it's

1802
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,119
it's very unique perspective and i think

1803
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,799
if anybody has a

1804
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:05,839
has a

1805
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,440
sasquatch it's certainly indigenous

1806
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,280
people

1807
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,920
so i i found that again i i can't tell

1808
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,280
you whether or not that's true i can

1809
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,599
just tell you what was told to me

1810
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,119
but um

1811
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,880
you know there you have it as for

1812
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,960
skinwalker in general you just think

1813
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,559
your statement is there is something

1814
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,760
that's going bump in the night or you

1815
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:29,910
nothing more can be said about that i'm

1816
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,069
you know uh current at some point

1817
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,839
more is to be revealed

1818
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,000
yeah you know i it's

1819
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:43,599
i i don't want to go down any rabbit

1820
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,880
holes prematurely um

1821
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:49,040
you know this this is a very

1822
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,799
this is a very complex universe we live

1823
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,799
and it's a system

1824
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,240
and uh

1825
01:02:01,829 --> 01:01:58,640
we're learning more and more about the

1826
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,839
reality of life and

1827
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,079
the transition of what birth means in

1828
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,720
the transition of what death means

1829
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:08,640
and uh you know

1830
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:11,920
human consciousness and human spirit

1831
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,039
um

1832
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,920
and you know suffice it to say i

1833
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:17,680
we we probably really don't have a very

1834
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,200
good handle right now on understanding

1835
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,760
um what lies beyond our five senses i've

1836
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,960
said this before we have five

1837
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,200
fundamental senses for which we we judge

1838
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,880
our environment and if you can't touch

1839
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,319
it taste it here and smell it or you

1840
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,760
know feel whatever

1841
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,200
uh it

1842
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,119
it doesn't exist and yet the reality is

1843
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,520
99.9 of the universe

1844
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,000
lies well beyond our our ability to

1845
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,079
sense these things we have wi-fi signals

1846
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,520
coursing through your body every moment

1847
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,039
of every day we have cosmic radiation

1848
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,880
coming from the cosmos we've got

1849
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,400
neutrinos that are flooding your body

1850
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,920
from the sun and we've got cellular

1851
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,680
signals and radar signatures

1852
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,839
the local airport and all these are real

1853
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:55,119
and i tell people if you want to know

1854
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,480
the reality of the universe look at the

1855
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,000
night sky one night and look how pretty

1856
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,000
it is now take a radio telescope and

1857
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,520
look at that same night sky look at it

1858
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,200
through infrared look at it through

1859
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,960
ultraviolet and you're going to see

1860
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:06,880
things you've never seen before

1861
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,799
and so by definition 99 of our our noble

1862
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,480
universe we can't even perceive and then

1863
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,599
when you look at the scale of the

1864
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,680
universe i've said this before if you

1865
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,839
look at you know the group

1866
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,680
i was corrected recently that the

1867
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,440
visible galaxy that bills

1868
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:24,000
the visible known universe is about 90

1869
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,799
some

1870
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,039
uh billion light years across even

1871
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,119
though it's only been around 13.7

1872
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,280
billion light years we think uh that the

1873
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,920
actual for the the seeable universe

1874
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,640
right now around us is about 97 billion

1875
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,119
light years and as big as that is in

1876
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,039
terms of us being this little tiny

1877
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,680
minute thing stuck in the middle of it

1878
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,760
there is equally that amount of space

1879
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,760
relative space inside every one of us if

1880
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,359
you look at an atom which is 1 times 10

1881
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:51,920
to the minus 26 the size the mole

1882
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,799
compare that to to the human body

1883
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,520
we have that same that same amount of

1884
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,960
space inside every one of us there's a

1885
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,880
whole universe inside of us and so

1886
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,680
so

1887
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,359
the scale in which we live unless

1888
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,880
something is 50 feet in front of our

1889
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,960
face we'll never be able to interact

1890
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,880
with anything that is an order of

1891
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:11,039
magnitude above us or below us we can't

1892
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,480
even see the cells in our bodies without

1893
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,720
a microscope so so there are these

1894
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,200
realities all around us that constantly

1895
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,960
that that exists and that we are part of

1896
01:04:23,069 --> 01:04:21,520
and yet we cannot interact with and by

1897
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,079
that definition

1898
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,520
99.9 of the universe

1899
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,960
falls outside of the realm of our

1900
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,359
perception so who's to say that

1901
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:31,200
that all of reality

1902
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,039
needs to fit neatly within the very

1903
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,880
narrow spectrum of the electro optical

1904
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,480
electro-optical frequency that we call

1905
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,640
visible light when we know that that's

1906
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,480
not true same thing with acoustic same

1907
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:42,000
thing with electromagnetics same thing

1908
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,119
with everything

1909
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,119
and i think it's foolhardy for science

1910
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,599
to presume that that everything can be

1911
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,200
explained

1912
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,799
through the fundamental five senses in

1913
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,160
the scale in which we live because we

1914
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:54,079
know that's not true look at dark energy

1915
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
and dark matter

1916
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,440
most of the universe can't even be seen

1917
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,599
all right even the fundamental forces

1918
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,960
who knows

1919
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:02,960
right right strong force weak force

1920
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,079
electromagnetism right so so you know i

1921
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,079
i think we need to remember if you are

1922
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,559
truly a scientist we must remain open to

1923
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,119
the fact that that we are judging our

1924
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:16,160
environment through a very very narrow

1925
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,280
lens

1926
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,000
uh it's like watching a sitting up on

1927
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,400
the bleachers watching a football game

1928
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,839
at the very very highest part of the

1929
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,039
bleachers and watching the whole game

1930
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,640
through a soda straw

1931
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,960
you're going to miss most of it you know

1932
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,359
so that would be my

1933
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:32,880
that'd be my uh

1934
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,839
my two cents emil esses thanks thank

1935
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,440
louis for me without him we wouldn't be

1936
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,280
where we are today with regard to this

1937
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,280
matter and mr roboto also says thank you

1938
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,680
mr elisando for the service for your

1939
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,359
service to this country

1940
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,599
oh my pleasure you know what everybody

1941
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,359
serves in their own way

1942
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,680
uh if you're a taxpayer you're serving

1943
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,440
if you are a school teacher you're

1944
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,039
serving if you're a nurse you're serving

1945
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,640
if you're a police officer

1946
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,119
you're you're a person military uniform

1947
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,280
you know if you're a lawyer and and you

1948
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,200
decide to take a case pro bono because

1949
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,559
it's the right thing to do guess what

1950
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,000
you're serving so

1951
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,920
so thank you for

1952
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:09,599
for all those out there who continue to

1953
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,400
serve no uh it's a great honor and

1954
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,079
privilege to be to be speaking with you

1955
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,720
here today thank you man andreas says

1956
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,400
hey lou are there questions you think

1957
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:20,319
that the public hasn't been asking that

1958
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,630
i'm just going to be flipping for a

1959
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:28,640
second but now let's go go ahead go

1960
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,950
um

1961
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:36,390
no i think you're on the right track i

1962
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:37,440
think people are asking the right

1963
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,799
questions um i i do i think people are i

1964
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:42,960
think i think people are coming around

1965
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,960
to to reality of this new paradigm

1966
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:49,280
and that's good that's okay that's a

1967
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,240
good thing

1968
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,839
you know otherwise we stagnate as

1969
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,910
jen hageny asks on april 30th i believe

1970
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,160
of this year in the basement office

1971
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,319
interview

1972
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:04,240
lou said watch out for the next 30 days

1973
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:05,359
now what

1974
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,400
was he

1975
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:10,789
all of it

1976
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,760
a lot has happened in the 30 days

1977
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,119
why don't you give a breakdown for the

1978
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,880
people like myself who are new to this

1979
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,000
field that

1980
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,000
have little clue imagine i'm clueless

1981
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,079
which i am sure uh you have uh

1982
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,559
very senior level briefings happening to

1983
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,480
congress you have congress wanting

1984
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:30,960
potentially to do open hearings

1985
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,880
uh you have an ig evaluation underway

1986
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,400
uh to look at how the government's been

1987
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:38,319
handling this topic over the last three

1988
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:39,440
years

1989
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,559
you have

1990
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,760
you've got quite a bit of things

1991
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,359
happening right now we've got foreign

1992
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,799
governments that haven't quite come out

1993
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:46,160
yet that are beginning to engage the

1994
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:47,359
united states

1995
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,640
uh you have uh discussions on creating a

1996
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:52,880
a long-term enduring capability to look

1997
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,720
at the separate government approach um

1998
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,000
oh okay speaking about the world

1999
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,319
government not that there is one but by

2000
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,160
the way i'm being told right now i've

2001
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,480
got i've got just about a couple few

2002
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,400
more minutes because my i have another

2003
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,720
unfortunately one more engagement that i

2004
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,039
have to do that that's no problem man

2005
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,440
okay apologies no no no no problem i

2006
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,200
appreciate the time that you've given so

2007
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,960
blind arise asks all of this recent

2008
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,960
disclosure and activity has been very us

2009
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,560
focused it would be interesting to know

2010
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,239
if other countries are working on this

2011
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,560
stuff too or are cooperating at some

2012
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,640
level the implication is that whoever

2013
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:28,560
can reverse engineer this tech first

2014
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,440
wins but isn't our chance

2015
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:33,120
isn't it best to give our chance to all

2016
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:34,560
humans

2017
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:38,159
yes yes yes and yes yes on all four

2018
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:39,040
parts

2019
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,719
yes uh

2020
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,719
uh you know there are other countries

2021
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:44,480
working on this yes there are other

2022
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,600
governments that are reaching out to

2023
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:46,719
work with us

2024
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,400
uh yes that uh he who who

2025
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,080
reveals the secret first has the

2026
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,920
advantage and yes this would be better

2027
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,279
for your humanity if we worked it all

2028
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,839
together mikhail mahal asks did atip

2029
01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,159
look into the uss trapang photos from

2030
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,839
1971

2031
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:04,400
negative we did not

2032
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,080
neon dagger has lewis ever had a

2033
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,679
personal encounter whether it was close

2034
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,359
up or at a distance

2035
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,679
with an intelligence or some kind of or

2036
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,120
some kind of machine i assume they're

2037
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,640
referring to the uaps

2038
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,960
that will be for another discussion

2039
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:18,640
okay and i'll get to just two more quick

2040
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,149
okay paul sawford asks i would like his

2041
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:28,239
take on the tic tac movements at sea

2042
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:29,359
level actually forget that question

2043
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:35,430
don't feel bad paul i would have

2044
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,349
okay reyson carlos asks could you ask

2045
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:43,440
him about the nimitz case david fravors

2046
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,719
said that david fravor said that the

2047
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,120
tic-tac-shaped ufo after disappearing

2048
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,719
from his view it appeared to the radar

2049
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,759
operator at his quote unquote cap point

2050
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,920
what does this represent how on earth

2051
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,679
did the ufo know the cap point

2052
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,120
beforehand

2053
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,600
great question uh we don't know how it

2054
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:01,199
knew either that earth one hell of a

2055
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,480
coincidence the cap point is a

2056
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,040
rendezvous point that is uh input into

2057
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:07,760
the flight plan of the pilots and the uh

2058
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,400
and the avionics systems of the aircraft

2059
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,320
uh in this case it was about 60 miles

2060
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,640
away from their their location

2061
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,320
uh where they encountered the tic tac

2062
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:17,920
and within five seconds this thing

2063
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,600
appeared over their cat point uh

2064
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,760
seemingly uh anticipating where they

2065
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,920
were supposed to go and waiting for that

2066
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,159
great question that uh is this some sort

2067
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,400
of active exploitation of the avionics

2068
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,640
uh or is this some sort of uh

2069
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,400
predetermination understanding where the

2070
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,320
plane was going to go because somehow it

2071
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:35,840
understands space time in a different

2072
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,400
way that we do or was it just a pure

2073
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,880
coincidence we simply don't know

2074
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,400
and the last question i asked you before

2075
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,840
which i'm going to get back to actually

2076
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,280
hunting hair says sam harris said that

2077
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,280
he was contacted by the former dod slash

2078
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,120
intelligence officials about some

2079
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,679
possible form of disclosure was it lou

2080
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,550
i'm sorry can you repeat that okay so

2081
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,800
sam harris recently said that he was

2082
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,120
contacted by someone from the former dod

2083
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,360
intelligence and he wants to know and

2084
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,199
sam harris was talking about a possible

2085
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,040
form of disclosure

2086
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:09,199
was this person who contacted sam harris

2087
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,430
and then i know you got to get going the

2088
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,600
lonesome space cowboy remember that last

2089
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,800
question that you couldn't get to which

2090
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,800
was if the general public knew or saw

2091
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,719
what you saw how would they what would

2092
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:24,080
the next week look like how would the

2093
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,630
somber

2094
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,870
uh

2095
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,360
i think there would be this

2096
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,040
uh

2097
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:43,910
for about a day

2098
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,360
and then this uh turning inward and

2099
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:49,679
trying to reflect on what this means to

2100
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:52,840
us and our species and ourselves

2101
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,480
uh i think uh somber sorry like a sigh

2102
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,239
of relief

2103
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,280
somber meaning serious

2104
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,800
not not

2105
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,640
like hollywood portrays people partying

2106
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:07,520
in the streets and silliness with that

2107
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:08,719
um

2108
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:11,679
i think you would have uh some people

2109
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,800
perhaps turning to religion more so

2110
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,239
you might have some people turning away

2111
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,920
from

2112
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,640
i think you're going to have

2113
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,640
at that point the the philosophical and

2114
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,960
theological uh

2115
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,080
questions

2116
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,400
will be raised and and people will have

2117
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,159
some serious soul-searching to do no pun

2118
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:32,159
intended and i don't think that's bad by

2119
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:33,120
the way

2120
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,159
um

2121
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,560
i think uh a lot of folks that have

2122
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,400
spent their times in this community

2123
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,480
being charlatans will have been exposed

2124
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,640
and uh they will be probably unemployed

2125
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:44,080
and probably have to change their names

2126
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,960
because

2127
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,400
you know

2128
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,159
the rest of society will look at them in

2129
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,880
an unfavorable light um

2130
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,440
i think um there are some unsung heroes

2131
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,080
that will probably come to light

2132
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,080
and uh the world will appreciate their

2133
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:01,120
contributions to this topic

2134
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,120
i think the scene typically academic

2135
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,440
communities no i can't give those names

2136
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,560
i know what i was going to say is names

2137
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,840
that have been announced before when you

2138
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,000
say the unsung heroes or new names

2139
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,000
haven't been announced before okay

2140
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:14,000
uh i think the scientific and academic

2141
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,199
community is going to have to take a

2142
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,199
real hard look at itself

2143
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,679
uh and and uh see

2144
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,600
why it repeated the same mistakes it did

2145
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,760
when galileo first proposed that the

2146
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:25,280
earth was not the center of the solar

2147
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,400
system

2148
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:28,880
uh you know

2149
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,280
hubris is is is a big part of that um

2150
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,040
and then i think you know maybe we start

2151
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,719
the international conversation say okay

2152
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,480
we realize that this there's there's

2153
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,159
things out there that are probably well

2154
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,080
beyond our petty discrepancies we have

2155
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,360
with each other

2156
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,280
um maybe we really need to start working

2157
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,880
together on this

2158
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:48,400
realize that we are really a global

2159
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,520
family

2160
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,679
it doesn't matter where you're from it

2161
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:53,760
doesn't matter what your religion is or

2162
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,280
culture or your color or anything else

2163
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,280
we are we are all

2164
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,960
we're all brothers and sisters on this

2165
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,280
tiny little rock car you know this pale

2166
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,360
blue dot that's hurtling

2167
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,800
through space

2168
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,239
um

2169
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,040
it may unify us

2170
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:13,679
well i would certainly hope so unless we

2171
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:20,950
poor nature to to interfere and we look

2172
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,840
at this as as opportunities to subjugate

2173
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:25,199
each other

2174
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:26,239
i would hope

2175
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,280
vu thank you so much

2176
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,880
do you have any advice for me as someone

2177
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,880
investigating this topic somewhat anew

2178
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,880
and somewhat keep pushing keep pushing

2179
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,640
keep asking the questions and and be

2180
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,120
fearless um you know that is the true

2181
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,440
scientific pioneering spirit the ability

2182
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:45,520
to challenge the status quo

2183
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:49,120
uh and and be able to do so uh in in a

2184
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,560
courageous way

2185
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,199
and in a well-meaning way um

2186
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,120
the true enemy of science is is

2187
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,719
stagnation

2188
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,480
is acceptance of the norms because we

2189
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,400
know that's not

2190
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,920
real science changes

2191
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,360
our understanding changes because we're

2192
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:05,040
human humans change

2193
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,920
so

2194
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,760
uh you know we need to continue to

2195
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:09,760
pursue the truth wherever that truth may

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be

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we need to continue to pursue it

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so if that'd be my advice

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thank you sir i appreciate it what do

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01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,760
you have to promote where can the

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01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:19,040
audience find out more about you what's

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01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,159
next for you

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01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,400
oh kurt i hate self-promoting man i i'm

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01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,640
not that guy you know i i hate even

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01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:26,480
tweeting i do it because i want to keep

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01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,400
people engaged because i i really

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01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:30,560
appreciate everybody's perspectives

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01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,239
um but uh you know i just want to

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promote the truth wherever that truth is

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01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,480
a lot of people don't realize i don't

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01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:40,640
i don't get paid for these these type of

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01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,560
things i'm actually taking off work to

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01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:44,320
do it because i believe in it so much

2214
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,600
you're not paid by the government to

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01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:47,040
spread misinformation is that what you

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01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,320
say

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01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,239
oh yeah every day sure yeah i mean if

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01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:52,000
that's that's what what certainly these

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01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,440
conspiracy theorists like to believe

2220
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,920
anyways you know uh by the way if that's

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01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:57,280
the case i'm sure not making a whole lot

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01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,480
of money doing it

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01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:01,199
um but uh you know

2224
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,830
you know still wearing my counter

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01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,120
intelligence hat and i'm trying to

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01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,640
deceive the american public and it's

2227
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,199
just that's

2228
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,199
that's just nonsense that's that same

2229
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:18,719
crap that has held that conspiracy

2230
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:21,280
theory that's kelp kept the ufology

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01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,239
uh

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01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,120
community behind for for 70 years you

2233
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,360
know it's time to grow up you know wake

2234
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,040
up and stop

2235
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,440
stop uh thinking everybody's out to get

2236
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,960
you you know yeah there's been some

2237
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,719
mistakes done in the past but you know

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01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:36,320
people or some people that actually want

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01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:37,440
to see

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one of those guys

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01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,480
if you don't like what i have to say

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01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,679
then don't listen you know i'm not

2243
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,280
forcing anybody to tune in and listen

2244
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,120
i'm not you know

2245
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,679
forcing you to sit down on a couch

2246
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,719
you know if you don't like what i have

2247
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:54,480
to say this is a free country thank god

2248
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,440
you know go tune into something else

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01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:59,440
well i listen to you and hopefully once

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the dust settles we can have a longer

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01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,800
conversation perhaps even in person once

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01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,239
covet is over

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01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,080
i would love that kurt any time you want

2254
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,760
would be on my honor approval thank you

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01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,120
man

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01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,199
you make me feel giddy by by saying that

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01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,640
even if it's just politeness thank you

2258
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,159
so much no i

2259
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,840
listen people know me personally i am

2260
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,880
that guy i i i say what i mean if i say

2261
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,880
that we're going to do coffee we will

2262
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,640
get damn sure we're going to do coffee

2263
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,640
at some point so i don't say these

2264
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,840
things like

2265
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,679
i mean what i say

2266
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,600
thank you lou have a great one i

2267
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,440
apologize for taking you over time thank

2268
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,280
you and just say hi to everyone they're

2269
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,960
so happy to see you there's

2270
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,320
let's see how many thank you to your

2271
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,640
audience i hope i didn't offend anybody

2272
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:40,640
that wasn't my intent uh there are

2273
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,920
almost 3 000 people watching right now

2274
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,600
wow that's great

2275
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,040
well you know i've like i said i've

2276
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,360
always told people i'm latin uh i've got

2277
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,080
to have my coffee there's a few things

2278
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,760
that we come out of the womb having to

2279
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,120
to do and

2280
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,120
strong coffee is one of them so i

2281
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,679
apologize if i was a little bit uh a

2282
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,760
little bit uh ornery today that wasn't

2283
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,280
my intent but i'm gonna go get some

2284
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,360
coffee i'll i'll fix myself right now

2285
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,480
all right man

2286
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,640
get to it take care yes sir take care

2287
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,480
everybody thank you so much and god

2288
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:12,400
bless everybody

2289
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:16,080
okay thank you all for attending

2290
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,679
i'm going to go through some of the chat

2291
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:19,040
i wasn't able to get to everyone's

2292
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,239
questions

2293
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,920
again for those who are new to this

2294
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:24,080
channel this is not a ufo channel

2295
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,679
per se i'm interested in something

2296
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,960
called

2297
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,960
the theory of everything which is is an

2298
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,040
approach in physics that tries to unify

2299
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,199
all the fundamental forces and find the

2300
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,760
laws of the universe what governs us and

2301
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,440
i'm broadly interested in that which

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01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,800
means i'm interested in it from a

2303
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:41,120
theoretical physics perspective as well

2304
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,800
as from a philosophical perspective

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01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,120
perhaps even a psychological perspective

2306
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,520
though that one has only been explored

2307
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:49,360
with someone named john vervicky on this

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01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,880
channel

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01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,239
thank you all thank you all there's so

2310
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,800
many names i can't say thank you to

2311
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,480
all of you and i appreciate it if you

2312
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,640
all would like to see more conversations

2313
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,199
like this on a regular basis longer

2314
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,719
conversations like this more intense

2315
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:04,560
conversations like this i try to keep it

2316
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,040
technical because

2317
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,199
partially that's how my mind works and

2318
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,679
also because i think that

2319
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,080
to get to some of these truths as louis

2320
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,159
elissando says

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01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,040
a specific exact rigorous approach is

2322
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,280
necessary there's plenty of

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01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,520
broad interviews fluff which i don't

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01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:25,600
demean at all because they're great for

2325
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,040
getting an over

2326
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,199
arching view but i like to get down into

2327
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,800
the weeds if you'd like to see more of

2328
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:32,960
that please consider going to patreon

2329
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,600
dot com slash curt

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01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,440
the link is in the description of this

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01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:39,199
the link is also pinned

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01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:41,520
each dollar genuinely genuinely helps so

2333
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,800
for example right now i'm standing

2334
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,239
because i was able to afford a standing

2335
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:46,480
desk sounds like a minor treat but it's

2336
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,709
it also helps me do this full time

2337
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:56,630
as for chris langan someone mentioned

2338
01:20:03,189 --> 01:19:59,199
chris langan

2339
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,199
a cognitive theoretic model of the

2340
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:06,080
universe i have some of his papers

2341
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,030
going through that meticulously that

2342
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:13,679
will take about

2343
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:22,629
okay as for eric weinstein yes i will be

2344
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,280
talking to eric weinstein in a

2345
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,880
about a month or two months when i've

2346
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,199
had a chance to go through his theory of

2347
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:30,880
everything that's provided that he's